"We're all in Room 101 now."

I would be interested (0.00 / 0)

to hear your thoughts on this.

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by: tonva @ Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 19:57:34 PM UTC

Well... (0.00 / 0)

...you could read the "Clique" posts.

The short version. No country which tortures, condones torture, or excuses torture can consider itself exceptional nor label itself civilized. Period.

543,895 votes

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by: Michael Bersin @ Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 23:23:33 PM UTC

Glenzilla weighs in (0.00 / 0)

Tuesday, Jan 19, 2010 10:20 EST
The crime of not "Looking Backward"
By Glenn Greenwald

....Despite all of this, our media persists in sustaining the lie that the torture controversy is about three cases of waterboarding and a few "high-value" detainees who were treated a bit harshly.  That's why Horton's story received so little attention and was almost completely ignored by right-wing commentators:  because it shatters the central myth that torture was used only in the most extreme cases -- virtual Ticking Time Bomb scenarios -- when there was simply no other choice.  Leading American media outlets, as a matter of policy, won't even use the word "torture."  This, despite the fact that the abuse was so brutal and inhumane that it led to the deaths of helpless captives -- including run-of-the-mill detainees, almost certainly ones guilty of absolutely nothing -- in numerous cases.  These three detainee deaths -- like so many other similar cases -- illustrate how extreme is the myth that has taken root in order to obscure what was really done....

543,895 votes

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by: Michael Bersin @ Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 03:33:57 AM UTC

Lest we think "All" doesn't include Americans (0.00 / 0)

Greenwald*:

After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush gave the CIA, and later the military, authority to kill U.S. citizens abroad if strong evidence existed that an American was involved in organizing or carrying out terrorist actions against the United States or U.S. interests, military and intelligence officials said.

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The Obama administration has adopted the same stance.

"If strong evidence existed..."

Is that "beyond-a-reasonable-doubt strong," "more-likely-than-not strong" or just "Iraq-invasion strong"?

-- MrJM
http://twitter.com/misterjayem

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*Greenwald is profoundly wrong on Citizens United and his multiple straw-man arguments are a disgrace.

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by: MrJM @ Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 14:45:14 PM UTC