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My Conversation with Claire

by: BrettM

Sun Jul 19, 2009 at 14:30:33 PM CDT


Although new to Show Me Progress, I've noticed a lot of conversation and concern surrounding Claire McCaskill's rhetoric towards the American Clean Energy and Security Act (ACES). So I, along with a few peers, decided to take advantage of a Capitol Hill "Lobby Day" held by Campus Progress, where I currently intern, to attempt to speak with her regarding the issue.

We began our pitch on a few issues with an assistant, but before long Senator McCaskill (or "Claire" as she preferred), entered the room, welcomed us with her Missouri charm, and sat to talk.  

I began the discussion with Claire by framing the issue from my viewpoint as a young person, a Missourian, and a political realist (self-proclaimed). I explained how my grandparents (true rural, traditional Missourians- the type she's sticking up for in her comments on ACES) perceive climate legislation differently than me, but that dialogue between us helps to shift their perspective.
Me in the red tie

Senator McCaskill nodded in agreement and mentioned the generation gap prevalent in Missouri public opinion.

Launching into my main argument, I framed strong climate change legislation as key to the success (and perhaps survival) of my generation. I wanted her to understand that young people perceive the issue from a future in which we must live and be successful. I argued that without a transition into a clean energy system, our country would be not only contributing to a global stagnation in climate efforts, but would be hurting our own economic competitiveness, as well.

She listened politely, then in an empathetic voice asked how we felt about China and India's lack of cooperation in climate change negotiations, referring to the recent G8 summit in Italy. Our delegation of young people in the room clearly were on a different page than her, and responded with enthusiasm that we'd rather start the clean energy transition than follow (in more eloquent words, citing strong investment by China into alternative energy).

Claire responded by turning to speak on the economic difficulty she believes ACES would place on Missourians in particular. She said that she knows "10-15" manufacturing companies that are on the "bubble" in Missouri, even "one or two" that have already had to move jobs overseas. Claire claimed a "chasm" existed between the current and future energy infrastructures. In sum, her argument was that if we attempt to transition too quickly from our current mode of energy production, many companies (energy and otherwise) would suffer.

I replied that I understand the concern (which I do), but that the argument is ubiquitous in the history of the energy debate in America, making no time the "perfect time" to act strongly. I further argued that the issue is more long-term than typical political issues, but of dire concern to young people especially. She responded by defending her record on climate change.

First, she said that she believes whole-heatedly in the science of climate change. She then turned to politics. Claire agreed that the issue is tough because it's difficult to act on concerns that are not directly or immediately affecting American's lives. She also made the point that the Democratic control of Congress should be understood with caution, for Republican incumbents are logically only defeated by moderate Democrats, versus a starkly liberal candidate. She consistently labeled herself as a moderate, as well.

She also seemed particularly concerned over the EPA's role in overseeing the bill's effects on agriculture.

A door opened in the room- an assistant alerting Claire her next meeting had arrived, so I made my last pitch, telling her that despite how it may appear, there are many in Missouri who believe ACES should be strengthened and passed, especially young people like those before her. "You know what, though?" Claire said, returning to her empathetic tone. She reported that, out of the letters she's received from Missourians, (approximate numbers) around 200 were "against" ACES and only 10-15 "for".

We shook hands, grabbed the irresistible photo op, and headed out.

What can be taken away from the conversation? While its no Dan Rather exclusive, I think it can give insight into McCaskill's recent rhetoric towards the climate bill.

1. Science does not run parallel to policy. Perhaps the equation is more accurately science/politics= policy. Claire is in good company in both acknowledging climate science and acting without complete regard to it.

2. Senator McCaskill has chosen her ACES path. Her comments on job outsourcing and the EPA show she has made up her mind. We can also point towards both her discussions with Missouri manufacturing companies and letters received opposing the bill for her confident path in seeking to alter its provisions.

3. Despite many comments that concerned me, it is clear that McCaskill is not a hard-line opponent of efforts towards a clean energy economy, relative towards skeptics of climate science, per say. She supports the vision of jobs in alternative energy, but feels the need to respond to concerns in her constituency.

4. All this is mind, progressives in Missouri who disagree or are confused with McCaskill's stance should take away from this conversation a call to action. While certain interests will always hold sway over her decisions, educating Missourians on the necessity and benefits of strong climate legislation, reducing unfounded fears, and communicating with Claire herself, are not a lost cause.

I for one, heading home in a few weeks, will be giving it all I got.

BrettM :: My Conversation with Claire
Brett Marler will be a senior at Drury University in Springfield this Fall, studying International Politics and Philosophy. He is currently an online communications intern at Campus Progress. Reach him at marler.brett@gmail.com
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Claire McCaskill (D): "Kitchen Table Talk" in Kansas City, part 2

...Question: I'd like to start with an easy issue and that is climate change. [audience laughter] I, I've been told that you are reluctant to support a cap and trade program or some other major federal effort to address climate change until the economy improves. It seems that every week, there's a new study that comes out that says that the consequences of climate change are coming much more rapidly and much more severe than we have anticipated. And my, my concern is that we've really got to address this climate change issue early. We need to expect, in this climate change, for all of us to share some sacrifice. I have some pain, if a cap and trade program or a carbon tax, or something like that, is the best way to begin to address climate change. I believe we've got to do it.

Claire McCaskill: Well, let me, say that I - first of all, I support cap and trade. And my hesitation is not as much about the economy but the way it was, it was drafted in the beginning. And I think we're going to do a better job as we got back at it again under the Obama administration. First of all, I hope that you noticed that the person who is going to head the Department of Energy is, his foremost expertise is in the area of global warming and climate change. And so, I think we're going to have somebody at the head of the department that certainly understands the scientific risks that our planet faces because of what's going on in our atmosphere. The way the bill was originally drafted, we were talking about fifty possibly, trillion dollars, as much as fifty trillion dollars being pre-spent. What they've done is they've divided up this money, and this is the money that would come about as a result of the auction. Essentially what you would do, is you would trade a commodity, a commodity is your ability to pollute. So if you were polluting, you'd have to pay for it. You'd have to buy goods to allow you to pollute. And if you weren't polluting you earn benefits. So it's really putting into the free market system an incentive to not put out carbon emissions. That's essentially the simplest way to explain cap and trade. You, so, it becomes a free market. Now they've done this in Europe and they've had some success, but they've also had some failures. And we can learn from that. One of the things I didn't want to see happen is, they were so busy handing out this money, to California and other - to buy them off, and this was all money that we weren't going to spend in Congress. It was going to be spent by a board. Well as a former auditor, the idea that we were going to pre-spend fifty, over fifty trillion dollars without a whole lot of oversight kind of frightened me. And what I was most worried about was that the money wasn't going to help citizens who were going to be faced with astronomical increases in utility costs. I want to make sure that we take the money from the auction and get it back to regular folks to help pay the utility bills. So it's not, I'm, I'm for cap and trade, the devil's in the details about how this is going to work. And I think we're going to find that middle. And I know that Senator Obama agrees with me on this, he completely supports cap and trade, as did in fact, John McCain. They both were in favor of cap and trade. Now we've got to figure out how to make it work in a way that doesn't damage working families and the middle class any more than they're currently being damaged by this economy. And I think we can do that. I think we can do that. Okay, yes...



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I enjoyed reading it.  You may be right about whether or not McCaskill has made up her mind, but I do plan to add her pile of "pro" ACES letters this very evening.  

I also plan to work really hard to see that she pays for it politically if she puts short-term considerations before something this important.  She can't claim that she doesn't understand the consequences like some of the Republican fools like Luetkemeyer who seem to really believe the very convenient, if easily debunked, claims of climate deniers.


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Snip- "She listened politely, then in an empathetic voice asked how we felt about China and India's lack of cooperation in climate change negotiations, referring to the recent G8 summit in Italy"

Claire borrowed this negative comparison from the Republican party. In fact, she does this fairly regularly. When I wrote her about unfettered funding of the Iraq war in which she voted to give Bush his request with no accountability or change in the wars direction she wrote me that, "She was not going to cut funding from our troops". This insanity should be warning to us. In the areas where it matters she will compromise liberal interests.
snip-"She also made the point that the Democratic control of Congress should be understood with caution, for Republican incumbents are logically only defeated by moderate Democrats, versus a starkly liberal candidate. She consistently labeled herself as a moderate, as well."

So our choices are limited to "starkly liberal" or "decidedly republicrat"?
The caution is that McCaskill along with a hand full of other
D senators have consistently undermined the value of having a majority by contributing to the republican minority power. McCaskill's statement about control of congress is revealing about her intention. It is about her getting elected by liberals and continuing to represent her corporate donors. Calling herself a "moderate" is to her a license to acquiesce.

She'll cave on health care...watch and see. If I'm wrong I'll gladly eat my words. When it gets down to the final deal, she'll approve of mandating purchase from the same industry who killed meaningful health care reform. We'll end up expanding the problem by mandate instead of solving it. Claire will call it "compromise".  


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